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TB: Well, it was never quite as strong a thing as that with
Chester. It was a fun
possibility, and we did, obviously, consider it. We did want Daryl
(Stuermer), I have to say. We asked Daryl, but he was involved with Phil
at the time, and he wasn’t up for it. I think had we gotten the two of
them together, we might well have gone with that approach.
From the audience point of view, it might have been easier, because there
would have been Daryl and Chester
there. The problem
was, Mike and I obviously write together. I think to have
Chester
there during the
writing session would have been quite difficult, because he’s not used
to the way that we work or anything. The way that we approach songwriting
is different from a lot of people, I think. So, I suppose that’s why we
decided against it a bit.
Beyond that, I think the idea of just working with new people seemed quite
exciting, too. We could get a whole new thing going. That was one of the
other reasons. But, it was more of a tentative thing than I think is
sometimes put across… this thing with Chester. It wasn’t such a
big thing.
WOG: Whether it be through this classical project or for a rock
album, do you ever see yourself touring as a solo artist?
TB: It’s one of those things that I’ve
shied away from, really. There is a certain aspect of it that is quite
appealing. The idea of doing the songs on stage is obviously fun, but to
be the main man in something like this would be difficult for me, I think.
I’ve gotten so used to depending on other people.
The way Mike does it
(with the Mechanics) he is obviously very dependent on his singers and
stuff. I did see Steve (Hackett) on stage a couple of months ago, and I
was very impressed with the way that he kind of fronted his show. I mean,
he’s not the front man anymore than I am, but got the audience on his
side and it worked quite well.
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TB: Well, not really. In the early ‘70s, we used to shout a lot,
but the conflicts seem to get ironed out. There were always difficult
moments. I mean, there were five creative people in the same room. We were
all good friends. The main conflicts tended to come between Peter
(Gabriel) and myself, I suppose. We were kind of best friends at the time,
you know? So, it was a typical situation.
I remember when we first had Phil (Collins) drumming with us, and we were
rehearsing and writing stuff for the album… It must have been Nursery Cryme.
We would always have this incredible rouse. One time, Peter and I were
shouting at each other, and I just left. We were in this town, and I just
left and wandered around for a couple of hours and came back in again. So,
those sorts of things happen, but that was just part of the process, I
think.
As far as the conflicts, the only real thing that happened was during (the
making of) The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. Peter got more and more
distracted. The possibility of doing this film script for Bill Friedkin came up. He sort of said that doing that was more important than
doing the album, and we said, “Well, if that’s how you feel…” So,
there was some conflict. So, a lot of the music on the album, he was less
involved with. Obviously, the story was his and the lyrics were written
around that. Since we had done a lot of the album like that with the rest
of us writing, when we did Trick of The
Tail, it was quite simple. We got
used to writing that particular way.
In terms of conflict or arguing, they were more really in terms of
chords and things. I mean, someone would say, “I want a C minor here”
and I’d say, “No! You can put a C minor there!” It was more that
kind of stuff. We weren’t fighting in the other sense.
WOG: Peter Gabriel mentioned in 2002 that he had been approached
regarding the possibility of a Genesis reunion. Was there something
proposed or an organized plan to reunite?
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"I’ve been writing new stuff
for the first time in a long
time as well as developing
one or two older things. So,
there is stuff around, but I
have no particular plans. I
don’t know what form, if
any, the next thing will take.
I’m in no hurry, let’s put it
like that!"
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TB:
There has never really been anything organized. I can’t honestly
remember whether there was a time before we got together with Ray (Wilson) if there was some
talk about something. It tends to come from other people more than us,
really. I never rule out any kind of reunion thing, it could always
happen. We’re all good friends, and we get on ok. It would be fun to
revisit some of these early things perhaps, but there has really never
been a plan. I
think it is unlikely it would happen with Peter. That’s how I feel about
it, because his own career has gone on so much in one direction.
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In terms of the classical project, in order to do that live, it would be
another thing all together. There are talks of orchestras that want to do
it. In terms of doing something that I am organizing, I just don’t know.
It would depend on how things go.
What I would most like, in some ways, is to take a piece out of context
(from Seven) and have it performed in a regular concert if you
like. That’s definitely the best way to introduce people to new music.
That way, you are not always preaching to the converted. If I did
something, the people who would come would be the people who knew that
they liked it already. It wouldn’t be people who were coming but
didn’t know it.
WOG: There has been much discussion in the Genesis fan community
about the Genesis Plays Jackson tapes. Is the band now in possession of
the tapes? What are your thoughts on the recordings themselves? Do you
plan to make those recordings available to the public?
TB: There was
talk about a year or two ago that some guy got them, and they were being
offered, and then there was a legal thing about them. I don’t really
know. I haven’t heard them since then. We haven’t got them, no.
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If
there ever is any kind of reunion thing, it would probably be the line-up
with Phil and probably Daryl and Chester. I don’t really
know. I’m not itching to do it, particularly, but I’m not dismissing
it either.
WOG: What’s next for Tony Banks? You mentioned that you are
writing again. What’s in the pipeline?
TB:
I’ve got nothing specific in the pipeline. The Seven project was quite a
big thing for me. I haven’t been able to focus on any other writing for
a year or two now. It really has taken a lot out of me. It hasn’t been
that easy. Between the arranging and the orchestra and the record company,
and all the rest of it, you know? I finally got that out of my system, and
I am finding that I can actually sit down and write a bit.
I’ve been writing new stuff for the first time in a long time as well as
developing one or two older things. So, there is stuff around, but I have
no particular plans. I don’t know what form, if any, the next thing will
take. I’m in no hurry,
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I
would be quite interested to hear them. I can remember vaguely, because I
can remember bits and pieces from them. The final piece, I don’t
remember at all. I don’t know what it is like. I’d be fascinated to
hear it, actually.
So, if we could get there before the bootleggers, which is
very unlikely, then we would make them available. Again, this would
probably be more as a web-release rather than anything else. I don’t see…
We’ve done the archives (box sets) now. It would have been
something really nice to have on the first (Genesis) Archive box
set, but we didn’t have them. Now, they have emerged. I really don’t
know what they are like. I’d have to hear them a little bit to have some
idea, but I remember at the time thinking they were quite good for what
they were. Have you heard them?
WOG: Only the brief snippets that were available on the web-auction
site. I remember the quality of the recordings being pretty much perfect
considering that they had not been touched up.
TB: Yeah. Hopefully, they would be good. We did them in a
reasonable studio. Paul Samwell-Smith was the producer. He produced Cat
Stevens and was a member of the Yardbirds and everything. He took a fair
amount of trouble over them. I mean, they weren’t done as demos. They
were done to fairly high standards, and we worked long and hard on the
writing for them.
Obviously, we ended up using most of the stuff later on.
We did write most of the stuff specifically for the project, and we
actually worked on it for a few weeks. So, it was a big thing for us. It
wasn’t like a throw away thing.
WOG: On the new official Phil Collins DVD documentary, A Life
Less Ordinary, both Phil and Peter Gabriel discussed some of the
conflict going on within Genesis in the early ‘70s in the studio. I
don’t believe that has ever officially been shared by any member of the
band before. In your opinion and in retrospect, were these conflicts the
first signs that the band line-up would soon be changing in Genesis?
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Tony
Banks -
Selected Discography
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Tony
Banks - Seven
Tony's 2004 classical project with the London Philharmonic! Includes:
"The Ram", "Spirit of Gravity", "Neap Tide",
"The Gateway", etc.
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Tony
Banks - Soundtracks
1986 compilation of some of Tony's soundtrack music. Includes: "Red
Wing", "Shortcut To Somewhere", etc.
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Strictly
Inc.
Tony Banks' 1995 project with Jack Hues from Wang Chung! Includes:
"Island In The Darkness", "Walls of Sound", etc.
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Tony
Banks - A Curious Feeling
Tony's 1979 solo debut! Includes the title track, After The Lie, From The
Undertow, You, Lucky Me, Forever Morning, etc.
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Bankstatement
Tony's 1989 project with Steve Hillage! Includes: "Queen of
Darkness", "Throwback", "Raincloud", etc.
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Tony
Banks - Still
Tony's 1991 solo album! Includes: "Angel Face", "I Wanna
Change The Score", "The Final Curtain", etc.
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Tony
Banks - The Fugitive
Tony's 1983 solo album! Includes: "Man of Spells",
"This Is Love", "Sometime Never", "Thirty
Three's", etc.
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Special thanks to Tony Banks, Tony Smith, Jo Greenwood, Rebecca Davis, and
Naxos Records. This interview and its content are
© 2004 David Negrin and World of Genesis.com and may not be used in whole or in
part without permission.
For additional information on Tony Banks, please visit the official
Genesis website: www.Genesis-Music.com.
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